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Parents' desperate plea: No more ads for toys

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In a season that inspires earnest letters about toys, one notable batch is being sent not by kids to Santa's workshop but by parents to the executive suites of real-world toy makers.

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Please send me the number of the girl who ewants to prostitute herself for toys.....

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  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 4:58 PM EST
{"commentId":4234144,"authorDomain":"optimismrachel"}

This is a shame. Children these days are spoiled and greedy. This year, we are doing stocking stuffers, many from the $ isle at Target and inexpensive gifts. Christmas is about family, Christ (if you're Christian) and giving. Giving could mean donating to a shelter or helping your community.

I don't have an Ipod, or Iphone. We have 1 laptop for all of us and one working TV. I consider US excessive. I can't imagine my son going nut-so over having a bunch of stuff. He's usually content to get a few hot wheels and a book. Parents need to teach their children to appreciate what they have. Less disappointing.

I DO feel for the parents. You always want to give to your children, but there has to be limitations and boundaries.

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  • 10 votes
#1.1 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:32 PM EST
{"commentId":4234320,"authorDomain":"eris-ireton"}

It is truly sad that parents blame everyone but themselves these days for bad parenting.  They'd love to censor tv because it is too time consuming for them to have to check on their own kids.  And now it is the toy makers' and advertisers' fault because their kids are too materialistic.

Whatever happened to the word no and teaching your kids to respect your decisions?

These people are pathetic.

Turn off the tv people and take your kids to the d*mn park once in a while.  They will appreciate it more than that one toy they get at Christmas that they will forget years later.  Better yet, teach them the joys of giving not getting.

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  • 22 votes
#1.2 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:00 PM EST
{"commentId":4234325,"authorDomain":"thaddeus21"}

I couldn't agree more. And in the meantime how about limiting the exposure by turning off the TV!

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  • 12 votes
#1.3 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:01 PM EST
{"commentId":4234365,"authorDomain":"eric24"}

PAT - Althought your comment made me laugh it really isn't a laughing matter. Its kind of sad. Sad in respect that the toy companies are greedy and will do anything to sell there product and sad that in these economic times many parents can't afford to get there kids the toys they want. Its a heart wrenching thing. As a parent, i'd go without some things to get my lil boy some presents, but others are not so lucky. My parents, and immediate family this year because of layoffs, and economy, have agreed to having a nice dinner, and no present exchange this year. We are ok with it, but for kids, its not the same. I feel for the parents out there who would go to such measures to get toys for there kids. Your all in my prayers.

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  • 2 votes
#1.4 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:06 PM EST
{"commentId":4234410,"authorDomain":"eris-ireton"}

The toy companies are greedy because it is their job to make money?  There is no one to blame here but parents that would rather let video games, tv's and other toys babysit their kids rather than take the time and effort to do it themselves. 

Maybe I am just weird but I have to say my most favorite thing by the time I could read was a book.  There was nothing in this world I preferred more.  As for toys.. I can't remember a single one but I can remember the many times my brother's and sister and I used our imaginations to make up games when we had nothing to do. We couldn't afford toys and video games.  The church donated to us more often than not every Christmas because our dad took off and left us with literally nothing, not even a place to live, but those times with my siblings were without a doubt the most fun times I ever had and we didn't need any toys for that.  Just a pair of my grandma's old PJ bottoms.. LOL

Simplistic, I would suggest you guys make up some really fun things to do since there will be no toys.  I promise you your kids will look back and remember it as one of the most fun Christmases they ever had.

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  • 4 votes
#1.5 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:14 PM EST
{"commentId":4234526,"authorDomain":"leza-k"}

Wait a minute...children are told Santa can bring them what they ask for.  I've had to say no most of the time and it is heartbreaking.

However, it is time for the toy retailers to start taking their consumers into consideration.  (Remember lead poisoning from China and poor toy design?).

They can still advertise, just not as much.  1) Maybe only one commerical in a kid's show and not 10 times and maybe only 4 times in a 2 hour time slot.  2) Catalogs are a much better idea for children.  Then they see the entire selection, not the ones that become popular.  3) Cutting down on the contant advertising would cut down the obsession for a popular toy that has turned deadly in this country.

Advertising in general is badly scheduled.  Why should my child have to see a Viagra,  tampax or bra commercial during the 7 - 8 time slot?

Along those lines, fast food commercials should be banned from 9:00 pm to 10:30 pm.  It is not good on your weight to eat past 8:00 pm and those constant commercials make me want to eat!

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    #1.6 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:30 PM EST
    {"commentId":4234590,"authorDomain":"eris-ireton"}

    The toy makers didn't tell these kids about Santa.  Parents did.  It is their responsibilty to deal with it.

    I have never seen a tampon commercial or a viagra commerical on a kids channel??

    As for advertising and how much.. well if my child's t.v. time is limited than they don't see as many commercials.  Censorship is the answer but it is the parents jobs.. not the toy makers. 

    People need to take responibility for their kids and stop laying it on everyone else.  This is getting ridiculous.

    And I am not sure about that catalogue idea.. I think it would encourage them to be more materialistic.  Just my opinion of course.

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    • 4 votes
    #1.7 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:39 PM EST
    {"commentId":4234695,"authorDomain":"optimismrachel"}

    Lisa-468433

    Your ideas to censor advertising are scary. First of all, advertising execs have kids to. They too must put food on the table.
    Second, censorship is simply a knee jerk reaction that takes away a business's freedom to purchase advertising time. This is still a free country (for now).
    Third, here's a suggestion. Turn of the television and make children read. If you are THAT intimidated by commercials, make your children read rather than watch TV. Most parents have what it takes to say, "can't afford that right now". I sure do. But then again, I didn't raise demanding brats.

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    • 5 votes
    #1.8 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:52 PM EST
    {"commentId":4235338,"authorDomain":"brelrob5"}

    Catalogs work for us. We have the kids circle their top 3 favorites- if it isn't appropriate or is too expensive, we pick alternates. This way we know what types of things they are currently interested in. We buy one, grandparents another, and the siblings draw each others names and select 1 gift for the person they drew. We also make a trip to the Scholastic warehouse and pick up books they are into. If they see ads on t.v. I tell them to remember it for the catalog, laying the choice on them. I don't always get the exact item, but I haven't had complaints either. Any one else anti Bratz Dolls?More make up than Tammy Faye Baker on a bad day. My ten yo started calling them prosti-tots. Apparently a friends mom said now it stuck. 

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    • 1 vote
    #1.9 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:29 PM EST
    {"commentId":4235528,"authorDomain":"kholmstedt"}

    My daughter and I braved the crowds yesterday.  It's been several years since I looked at toys, we were looking for a toy for a girlfriend of hers that has a 2 year old.  I have never saw such a pile of cheaply made junk!  All had the golden oval sticker marked with Made in China. I am so thankful that I don't have to buy toys!  I used to like the Disney Store, I had to look twice to make sure it really was the Disney Store and not a dollar store, the prices proved it!  I reminded her when she was 4, I over heard her say, "I know there is a Santa Claus because my parents could never afford this."  They never got a whole lot of toys, we would put what we could afford in their savings account...........both now are college students and really appreciate their "stashes".

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    • 1 vote
    #1.10 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:58 PM EST
    {"commentId":4239413,"authorDomain":"lfodnh"}

    Pepster, how right you are. 3/4 of that plastic crap is just that. I for one will not subsidize China or any other sub standard country.

    Turn the TV off or are you people incapable of saying NO to anything including TV? The time you spend with your children is the most valuable gift and legacy you can give them. Bake even if it's from a box, Read to them, play games, teach them to play checkers, chess, Scrabble. Teach them now not to be one of the crowd. We don't need more bobble headed followers. We need people who are responsible, sensible, kind who in turn will also know how to say no when the situation is more important than a toy. Build character not closets of quatch. Get creative and make simple ornaments as presents. You don't needs gobs of stuff to be rich.

    Buy books even if they are gently used. Books are meant to be shared. Make a joyful noise and sing. Go out caroling with friends to an old folks home. I remember those days well and fondly. Christmas is LOVE not things Share your TIME, it is a gift of love.

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    • 2 votes
    #1.11 - Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:24 AM EST
    {"commentId":4241057,"authorDomain":"tcervo"}

    It is truly sad that parents blame everyone but themselves these days for bad parenting.

    Bingo.

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    • 2 votes
    #1.12 - Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:55 PM EST
    {"commentId":4241260,"authorDomain":"whyfactor"}

    These parents need a time out and a nap. Who is in charge here? The children, the ad men? It was greedy adults scambling for bargains that caused the tragedy. Each shopping season gets worse.  Did you use the flat screen tv as a theat or a bribe? And now your up against it?  Too Bad.  Kids learn from your example. Where is the L. O. V. E.?  I do all my shopping after hours. Have told my children, all I want is a little attention for Christmas.   One of my sons, just told me that he and his brothers noticed the lean years at Christmas, but loved me for making it cheeful.  They never let on at the time, to not hurt my feelings.  Now that is a Christmas Story!

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    • 1 vote
    #1.13 - Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:30 PM EST
    {"commentId":4322926,"authorDomain":"nano649"}

    Lisa-468433, that's sad.

    You're going to eat because a commercial makes you hungry? That means your going to drink everytime the bacardi commercial comes on? Or buy a new tv when a electronics commercial comes on?

    If you instantly go out and get something due to a commercial and you know that you shouldn't then they should take all your money away and put you under supervision of a responsible adult.

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      #1.14 - Sat Dec 6, 2008 1:19 PM EST
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      {"commentId":4233917,"authorDomain":"sunstroke1962"}

      "My 8-year-old is still holding out hope that Santa will get her that one special gift, but understanding this year may be different," Dower Charron said. "My son doesn't understand. Everything he sees, he wants."

      And whose fault is that?  Can she not see that she's created her own monsters because she probably gives her kids everything they want?  My parents had no trouble telling me and my sibs no; they didn't have much extra money and we all knew we wouldn't have lavish Christmases like some of our friends did, but our folks made up for it with lots of love and happiness.  Parents these days have completely lost touch with reality.  They've allowed their kids to rule the roost instead of the other way around.

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      • 10 votes
      Reply#2 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:01 PM EST
      {"commentId":4233962,"authorDomain":"bigrock-pemco"}

      Hear! Hear! Let's pop the silver spoon out of this generations mouth. They'll be happier in the end, learning to appreciate what they do have and what's truly important in life. Most parents today are cowards when it comes to telling their children no. 

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      • 6 votes
      #2.1 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:07 PM EST
      {"commentId":4239279,"authorDomain":"gregziglar"}

      Parents!  Turn the TV OFF and have your kids play with the toys they already have.

      I am tired of you irresponsible parents!  You had kids!  Raise them right!

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      • 3 votes
      #2.2 - Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:05 AM EST
      {"commentId":4239904,"authorDomain":"vmithgurther"}

      I agree. In fact, this whole discussion brings to mind my own childhood presents over the years. To be honest, I still buy presents for people the precise way that they were given to me as I was growing up: it has to be something that you can or will use!

      I think that it opens the doors for whatever financial ups and downs that would present themselves from year to year. I mean, something useful that you have been wanting can and did fall anywhere within the spectrum from a new jacket to replace an old favorite that is about to see it's final days to a new radio to replace the clock alarm that's been serving double duty way too often.... To be honest, that put most toys out of the running- unless they were extremely cheap or extremely beloved already.

      Forgive the rambling but, the point is that my mother never even had to get to the word "No," as a result. I mean, we could (and did) say we wanted just about everything under the sun but the conversation always went just about the same way: "Of course you want it, we all want lots of things, the question is whether or not you would actually use it." Naturally we lied- a lot, and she always called us on it when we did. Every time. Usually with something else that we really wouldmuch rather have presented in the middle of it with the line: "But I thought you wanted........Are you sure you don't want that instead?" That ended the argument.

      Of course, then again, my mother paid extremely good attention to us as we were growing up so she always knew what it was that we really liked and could really enjoy- both cheap and expensive. But I guess it's easier for some people to just throw money at a kid and hope some of it gets around to something they'll appreciate.

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      • 1 vote
      #2.3 - Sun Nov 30, 2008 12:23 PM EST
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      {"commentId":4233947,"authorDomain":"ampschafer"}

      The solution to this quandry is quite simple really, turn off your TV...

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      • 14 votes
      Reply#3 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:05 PM EST
      {"commentId":4234041,"authorDomain":"burkhart"}

      Thank you. 

      Does it ever occur to these parents that they are raising spoiled brats who will believe they are entitled to anything and everything they want -- who will become the kind of adults who trample people to death at Wal-Mart in their effort to get a good deal on a worthless gizmo?

      Turn off the TV and play with your kids people.  If they are 6 years old or better, its time to teach them the meaning of Christmas.  Take them to help others less fortunate.  Establish traditions that are more meaningful than just unwrapping gifts.  Let this tough time be the beginning of something wonderful that will influence your child throughout his/her life.

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      • 12 votes
      #3.1 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:17 PM EST
      {"commentId":4234348,"authorDomain":"eris-ireton"}

      Gosh no.. if they turned off the tv they might actually have to spend time with their kids!! Where is the Christmas spirit in that fgs?  (insert loads of sarcasm here aimed at these pathetic parents)

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      • 5 votes
      #3.2 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:04 PM EST
      {"commentId":4234615,"authorDomain":"tomkatboswell"}

      I think half of you idiots don't have kids for one thing, and you think it's so easy. Why don't ask the law about it, ok. Here's an example, a twon about 20 miles from me, a police officer son was caught stealing and when they caught him they took him to the police station. When the boys father came in (he's a policeman) he smacked his boys ass and the police officer went to jail and the boy was charged. So Don't anybody in here ever, ever say it's the parent's fault you can only do what the laws allows. May some of you should have kids and then you'll know what it's like. I think the ones downing parents are the ones that work in making toys and don't want to loose your jobs! If you don't have kid then stop posting.

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      • 2 votes
      #3.3 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:42 PM EST
      {"commentId":4234676,"authorDomain":"eris-ireton"}

      I have three kids and a grandchild.  Your example is a long way off from a simple Santa/TV issue. 

      This is about advertising and parental consciousness.. about turning off a tv fgs... not shop lifting and whacking your kid's ass in public.

      Although I did have one experience with that.. lmaoo.. another story

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      • 3 votes
      #3.4 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:49 PM EST
      {"commentId":4234728,"authorDomain":"optimismrachel"}

      I think half of you idiots don't have kids for one thing, and you think it's so easy.

      I have two boys who cannot sit by the television all night and aren't spoiled brats. It is easy. I SAY NO. It's my TV. I can always sell it. Since they don't want me to sell the television in favor for a day at the spa, they mind quite well. Since they want to earn "good boy points" to exempt them from a weekly chore, they read. Since we have ground rules about going shopping and they prefer not to sit in the car listening to classical music, they are quite well behaved in the store. No slapping required.

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      • 6 votes
      #3.5 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:56 PM EST
      {"commentId":4322955,"authorDomain":"nano649"}

      Ummm, what the hell does TV ads have to do with stealing cars and smacking kids?

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        #3.6 - Sat Dec 6, 2008 1:21 PM EST
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        {"commentId":4233993,"authorDomain":"ciaobella821"}

        It is time for parents to suck it up and learn to say, "No!" to their children.  Sometimes the correct answer is NO and people seem to have forgotten that.  And yes, I am a parent, and now the grandparent of a 16 month-old.  And yes, I can afford to purchase what I want, but no, I won't be afraid to tell the sweetest, cutest granddaughter in the world that she cannot always have something just because she wants it!  We have turned into a child-worshiping culture and it has to stop! I saw someone state we've turned into a "Kindergarchy" and they were so very right!  It's time for a coup d'etat! It's time for the adults to regain our power!

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        • 6 votes
        Reply#4 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:11 PM EST
        {"commentId":4233995,"authorDomain":"azwhiz"}

        As a genuine antique person who raised two daughters who have successful careers and lives I have to ask, "What in the world is wrong (unenviable) with telling your eggs, we got no dinero. Set priorities." Our kids quickly grasped that we did not have all the money in the world and couldn't buy everything they thought they needed. They then learned to set priorities. They got what they really wanted. Not what they thought they wanted. Our community is full of 20, 30 and 40 year olds who have expensive homes, trucks, cars, SUVs, quads, boats and other stuff. Guess what? They're learning they can't pay for all this stuff they shouldn't have bought in the first place. Get a grip folks. Try to raise your kids in the real world. I can't imagine any circumstance in which I would have a problem telling one of my kids, "Sorry. I can't afford to buy you Rhode Island this year. Pick something reasonable." Of course I didn't mind admitting I wasn't rich.

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        • 6 votes
        Reply#5 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:11 PM EST
        {"commentId":4234050,"authorDomain":"paul-strait"}

        YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING!  Have we forgotton how to say no?  Our over indulgent society needs a lesson on the genius of the 1950's and before.

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          Reply#6 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:19 PM EST
          {"commentId":4234059,"authorDomain":"suejuhasz"}

          It's very simple.  Don't let your children watch TV.  Mine didn't and never asked for anything - even in the grocery checkout aisle.  When my son was six and we took him to see Santa, Santa asked him what he wanted for Christmas and he said he wanted to be seven.  Now that they're practically grown, they still hardly ever ask for a thing.

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            Reply#7 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:21 PM EST
            {"commentId":4234075,"authorDomain":"ames987"}

            My solution to this problem has been to limit my children's tv and only let them watch shows we have pre recorded because we fast forward through the commercials. We have also explained to our kids that we are going through tough times and money is tight. They are not going to get everything they want this year for Christmas.

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            • 4 votes
            Reply#8 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:23 PM EST
            {"commentId":4235097,"authorDomain":"david-pool"}

            If I may offer this observation...fast forwarding through commercials just dodges the issue...it doesn't teach your children anything about the nature (and purpose) of advertising and how to grow up to be an informed consumer.

            My daughter is 28 this year but back in the early '80s, when she was a young child and just as targeted by toy companies (through children's TV and new cable networks like Nickelodeon) as today's children are, I explained to her that commercials and ads existed to make everyone aware of the choices they had -- be that in breakfast cereals or toys, clothing styles or vacation destinations.  They were not signals to you that you must have each and every one of the products being advertised.  

            By the time she was 7, she would take whatever money she might have been given as an allowance or gift and, accompanied by a pencil and a notepad, would prowl the stores of the local mall, making notes of what choices there were for the money she had (including not spending it all on one item).  Then, with her research done, she would make her decision.  She grew up to be quiet an accomplished young woman who still approaches all of her purchases with the same thoughtfulness.

            By the way, the man who taught her all this has spent most of his adult life working in advertising or a related field.

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            • 1 vote
            #8.1 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 7:50 PM EST
            {"commentId":4239082,"authorDomain":"checkerbattery"}

            I think a combination of avoiding commercials and teaching kids that marketers are lying, evil manipulators can go hand in hand.  We have DVRs just so we can skip most of the brainwashing marketing crap but they still get through, that's why you have to explain that 90% of what they're being told in a commercial is a lie.

            Lawyers, politicians and marketers - the three professions built around how well you can lie and misrepresent the truth.

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              #8.2 - Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:39 AM EST
              {"commentId":4239104,"authorDomain":"mmccabe0731"}

              When my 25 yr old daughter was growing up in the 80's, she repeatedly saw an add for a doll that was shown walking and talking and of course she wanted it. The fine print that even I could barely read stated the the doll did not walk. I happened to record the commercial one day and was able to freeze frame it and showed her the writing. I then took the drastic step of showing her that by running the the ad as usual, the manufacturers were lying to her to try and get her money. That lesson must have taken. Now she has minimal debt, except for her education( that's another topic) and is a very shrewd shopper. During that time, their Mom was a store manager for KayBee Toys and even then, they didn't get everything they saw.

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              • 2 votes
              #8.3 - Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:42 AM EST
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              {"commentId":4234079,"authorDomain":"pto"}

              If you start when they are young its not hard later. My kids went through some very tight Christmas's and birthdays. They were taught that Santa wasn't always able to bring what they wanted and that mom and dad couldn't always buy what they wanted. They knew what no meant. I see too many people trying to hide their economic situation from their kids and wind up raising kids who later in life will be shocked to see how the real world works. You aren't doing you kids any favors raising them that way.

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              • 6 votes
              Reply#9 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:23 PM EST
              {"commentId":4234083,"authorDomain":"jbcarve"}

              One of the best lessons a child can learn is the power of a firm but kindly "no."  It is a way to teach balance and restraint, that we sometimes have to say "no" to others and even to ourselves.  If the last generation would have learned that lesson, some of the problems of today wouldn't be so great.  We've had a string of years here where not enough people said "no!"

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              • 3 votes
              Reply#10 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:24 PM EST
              {"commentId":4234247,"authorDomain":"christyfelton"}

              In addition to saying "no", parents need to remember to stick to it!  Don't buckle to whinning and temper tantrums.  Buckling mearly show young children that these nerve frying techniques work.  I wanted a lot of things growing up, and was frequently told "no", and I still had a fantastic childhood.  Let kids play in the dirt and snow and leaves, and they will have a greater imagination for it!

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              • 3 votes
              #10.1 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:48 PM EST
              {"commentId":4235836,"authorDomain":"andystractors"}

              Thanks Christy,

              You reminded me of playing in the dirt, really that was fun. We didn't have AC in those days, did have electric heat, but Mom's parents heated with coal, Dads parents used natural gas, in open stoves set in the old fireplaces.  I still like the smell of a coal fire in the morning. We generally got a toy to play in the dirt with, maybe a tool, to act grown up with, and clothes. If we complained too much, we were told be careful, Santa might bring us a lump of coal and bundle of switches for being bad. That mostly did the trick. We did OK, learned to work, and earn. You don't have to look too far to find someone who isn't as well off as you are, no matter what circumstance you find yourself in.

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                #10.2 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 9:45 PM EST
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                {"commentId":4234110,"authorDomain":"ymxc87"}

                Why the guilt? Parents need to get their proirities straight and choose whether it's another useless toy or a much needed commodity such as clothes or something more practical. To helll with the toy companies and their brainwashing of children :

                SUCK IT UP AND JUST SAY NO TO TOYS!

                and the Scumm that don't give a damm about you or your kids!

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                Reply#11 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:27 PM EST
                {"commentId":4234113,"authorDomain":"wwrayamw"}

                As parents it is their job to educate their kids.Educate them in the one of many arts of being grateful in what they get,it could be worse, they could get nothing>

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                Reply#12 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:28 PM EST
                {"commentId":4234114,"authorDomain":"rlashlee"}

                Is the AP trying to commit suicide? I just don't get it. I have been reading these ridiculous stories now for several weeks and I just don't get it. I imagine the reporters talking something like this:

                "Hey Joe. Let's think of the dumbest story we can and then find the dumbest examples to support the story."

                "Sounds great Mark!"

                "Alright, let's go find some people who will whine like crazy."

                I just don't get it. On one hand it seems like they are just trying to bum everyone out even more by running every negative story they can (and even put negative spins at the end of good stories), but on the other hand, the people they find for these stories and the examples they provide are hilarious. It almost is like they don't want us to take them seriously. I really don't know what the heck is going on here! I read the story about the poor lady who couldn't buy Christmas presents (right after she bought an I-pod and a $400 tv) and then the one who was fired and was barely making it (but bought an I-pod with her unemployment income). Then I read about how Black Friday is going to be really bad. Then, when it turns out to be better than last year they say it is not a good indicator of the holiday season as a whole. Would they have said this if Black Friday was bad? Not in a million years. It's like they are not even trying to hide anything anymore.

                Is it really a story that parents have to tell their kids no? The bad economy made this? Seriously? So when my kid asked me for that Porshe and I had to tell him no last decade, why was that? What about the pony my daughter wants?

                I'm just going to have to stop reading this garbage. It is just making me mad (although I do think it helps my heart to laugh so hard every day). This junk is hilarious. The best thing we can do for the economy is fire all the AP journalists and then hire them as comedians to make us happy. 

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                • 6 votes
                Reply#13 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:28 PM EST
                {"commentId":4242871,"authorDomain":"knittzu"}

                You forgot the story about the people who purchased a $550K home on a 30K income and are now struggling... stunning!  And the story about the idiots who took out 600K in loans against their house and now can't afford Thanksgiving dinner... so they're going out to eat instead.  I don't know where the media finds these people or what they're trying to tell us.  It's all very puzzling. 

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                #13.1 - Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:42 PM EST
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                {"commentId":4234139,"authorDomain":"okeeboy"}

                Don't sweat it folks.

                These are the very parents who:

                1. Give their little brats everything they want all the time.
                2. Never punish the kid when it needs it.
                3. Overly protect the child from the "evil outside world".

                We all know what those kids end up being; somebodies @!$%# in the big house.

                Hey, at least the parents can say they did all they could do for their poor baby... Even to the point of asking those mean old advertisers to STOP IT. I bet that got lots of laughs around the conference table

                Please! Somebody shoot me so I won't have to read stories like this one!

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                • 2 votes
                Reply#14 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:32 PM EST
                {"commentId":4234162,"authorDomain":"holly-5331"}

                when my children were very small i was a single mother. it was back in the early 90's. my children would want things there was no way i could afford. i told them i had to pay santa clause for their toys. they understood and that passified them. i taught them to be thankful for what they have and material things can be there one day and gone the next. they are grown now and my daughter is in her 3rd year of college well adjusted and happy. my son is also doing well in life. try to focus on being with the ones you love and do what you can and just love your kids. time is the one thing you can always give them and once its gone you can't get that back.

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                • 3 votes
                Reply#15 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:35 PM EST
                {"commentId":4234169,"authorDomain":"bmc-1972"}

                As an early elementary education teacher I would like to send a very serious and sincere suggestion to these unfortunate parents who are begging the greedy commercial tyrants to stop selling Christmas and their toys to the highest bidder and/or crier. Dearest  Parents, you are asking the proverbial tiger to change their stripes.  Do yourseslves and this nation a  tremendous favor and TURN OFF THE TV!!!

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                • 5 votes
                Reply#16 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:36 PM EST
                {"commentId":4234183,"authorDomain":"craisp"}

                When my son was young (about 25 or so years ago), I was a single mom with very little money.  Every year I opened a Christmas Club account at my bank and put a few dollars a pay day into the account and usually I would have  around $200 to spend at Christmas.  During the year, I would pay attention to what he wanted the most throughout the year, things he would say would be cool to have over and over, but he knew we didn't have enough money to buy them.  I would say, "maybe Santa will bring them" if he wanted them right then.  When I got my Christmas money, I would make one trip to the toy store and bought as many of the toys on his "wish" list as possible for $100.  I put all the toys into garbage bags and hid them in the garage (I never worried about him looking in a garbage bag for Christmas toys.)  The rest of the money was spent on clothes and necessities.  A few gifts would be placed under the tree in the days preceding Christmas.  On Christmas eve, after he had gone to bed, Santa got busy wrapping each item and getting ready for Christmas morning.  One year, I spent HOURs putting together a bicycle until 2:00 a.m.!  He was almost 10 when I asked him if he still believed in Santa, and he said "Of course, I know you don't have enough money to buy all those presents."  It almost made me cry.

                The moral of this story is that you can give your kids a wonderful Christmas, you just have to think about it and not buy them everything during the year.  Listen to what they say and if something is always on their list, then you know what to get for them.  Gotta love those Christmas clubs.

                This year my extended family is doing a "Walton" Christmas.  Homemade or no more than $10 for a gift.  Boy is it fun to look for sales and bargains

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                • 4 votes
                Reply#17 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:38 PM EST
                {"commentId":4242886,"authorDomain":"knittzu"}

                What a sweet story... you sound like a wonderful mother.

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                  #17.1 - Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:45 PM EST
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                  {"commentId":4234190,"authorDomain":"layyylah"}

                  Puh-leaze! When I was in financial straits a few years ago I said "sorry, sweetie, we just can't afford that this year." And he grew up realizing that getting a toy was a treat, something special and that we can't always get what we want (the Rolling Stones taught us that :-))  Where were these parents a year ago at this time? Were they stampeding down the aisles of Toys R Us or teaching their children well? My son learned to give away his toys even when he couldn't replenish them. We brought toys to the local children's hospital and to the Y. And, the lesson he learned? While browsing (not buying because we couldn't afford it) in a mall, he overheard a younger boy asking his mom for a Pokemon card but she said they couldn't afford it. My son reached into his pack and took out a few of his cards and handed them to the boy. That's the spirit of giving. Forget about the ads. This is a free market economy. Teach your children well.

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                  • 5 votes
                  Reply#18 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:39 PM EST
                  {"commentId":4234422,"authorDomain":"sos-saveoursalmon"}

                  EXACTLY. 

                  The parents who are choosing to buy the current coolest toy, rather than pay the heating bill or feed the family, need to learn how to say , "No". It's really not that hard. Children are wonderful, don't get me wrong, but being a total push-over does them no favors. Similarly, teaching them to be mindless consumers does them no favors. As your son demonstrated, not all the good gifts have to come from the toy store!

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                    #18.1 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:15 PM EST
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                    {"commentId":4234199,"authorDomain":"jwjrx4"}

                    Get a freakin life parents, I'm a parent, Its called tell your kid "no". This is one of the major problems in America today. Stupid @!$%#!  I'm a teacher and see this all the time. Get a freakin life

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                    Reply#19 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:40 PM EST
                    {"commentId":4234272,"authorDomain":"okeeboy"}

                    Jabbo, these are the parents who cannot say the "no" word. It fails to form on their lips.

                    I taught my kids from early on the meaning of the "NO" word. They turned out quite good. Great careers, healthy relationships, and doing a great job of raising my grandchildren. And yes, the NO word is plenty abundant in their houses too.

                    The article should have been titled "Bad parenting 101"

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                    #19.1 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:51 PM EST
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                    {"commentId":4234227,"authorDomain":"jbc1130"}

                    What about a bailout--maybe save your receipts and the gov't will reimburse you later for the toys you bought?  After all, most are made in China and China owns us...

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                    • 1 vote
                    Reply#20 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:45 PM EST
                    {"commentId":4234361,"authorDomain":"eris-ireton"}

                    lmao...

                    Bailout for parents at Christmas.. for some reason that just made me spit my drink laughing.

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                      #20.1 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:06 PM EST
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                      {"commentId":4234238,"authorDomain":"mgkj"}

                      Isn't it amazing how some adults can let their children run their lives?  We have 2 boys - now 15 and almost 12 - and the rule in our home has always been: TV only on Saturday morning and an hour or so during vacation time, and that too, programs like National Geographic, PBS etc.  Our almost 12 year old son had to write something about a popular TV show once for school and he'd never watched it.  We talked about it and he had no problem letting his teacher and his friends know that we don't watch TV in our home!!

                      When adults understand that we don't have to constantly live up to the Joneses, do or buy things to "fit in" with everyone else, but instead spend that time together as a family building up our childrens character and sense of self worth, we'll have happier, more secure children who learn sound financial and life lessons for themselves as they grow into adulthood and raise families of their own.

                      We have the means to afford all kinds of things for our kids, but they know that no amount of whining is going to get them things just because so and so has it. We give rewards and plenty of love and hugs for good behaviour, for trying hard, performance in school etc etc. A gift for their birthday and for 2 religious festival celebrations.  And these are planned for and thought out.

                      Last month our almost 12 year old wanted clothes from a particular brand name store as some of his friends had jeans and hoodies from there. He whined and complained and we talked about it. We took him to a regular store and showed him what we could get him that looked great but was probably  a fifth of the price.  He insisted saying he would pay for the brand name with his own money... Sure... we took him to the mall and he checked out all the prices and we told him, if he chose to spend his savings on a brand name just to look cool with his friends, that was fine by us, but it was his choice and his money... It made him think. We didnt shout, plead, or give in.... He made his choice and we ended up paying $15 for a perfectly good looking pair of jeans and $20 for a nice, cozy hoodie - from the regular store!  - and he thanked us later on for helping him understand and helping him save his money!!

                      Our kids need our direction, our talking to them, and being loving but firm with them.  Reading our 15 year olds essay for an English class where he had to write about 2 people who had impacted him the most in his life, was reward in itself for us... We happened across it while tidying some papers, and he's written about us, his parents as being the 2 most important influences in his life, and he had gone on to give many instances and examples of why....

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                      • 4 votes
                      Reply#21 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:46 PM EST
                      {"commentId":4234324,"authorDomain":"meisha714"}

                      This article made me want to vomit! What in the hell is wrong with this country? No wonder we are in the financial situation that we are currently in. I guess that my parents were cruel because they had no problem saying NO! And I learned at an early age that mom and dad's no was final! Another valuable lesson that I learned early on was that my parents did not have a lot of money, but they worked very hard to provide for us. I valued my parents work ethic and their dollars...all because they taught me to do so. Parents, get a backbone and if saying no is too hard, then don't have kids!

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                      • 4 votes
                      Reply#22 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:01 PM EST
                      {"commentId":4236390,"authorDomain":"gmalat"}

                      Parents, get a backbone and if saying no is too hard, then don't have kids!

                      Maybe they couldn't say 'no' then and that's why they're parents now LOL

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                        #22.1 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 11:01 PM EST
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                        {"commentId":4234351,"authorDomain":"bjlazyl"}

                        these ads have always concerned me but this year i have wondered how those with small children who are suddenly out of work  or facing rising morgage costs are going to deal with them-kudos to build a bear workshop founder for her ad for  ten dollar build a bear animals.why not advertise the more affordable durible toys-of course there are thousands whose livlihood depend on the toy industry-but the industry has known for months that problems were brewing and haven't seemed to be concerned-to those who say these are greedy children-have you seen how pursuasive and wide spread the ads are- i do not watch childrens television but i am already tired of the ads-to the answer that we have to run the ads so children will know what to ask for i say let them see catalogs or the toys themselves in stores-not the colorful music fille3d enticements on television

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                          Reply#23 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:05 PM EST
                          {"commentId":4234359,"authorDomain":"jmcverry"}

                          I couldn't agree more. As an educator with more than a sufficient number of credits in psychology, there is nothing more detrimental to the social, emotional, and intellectual maturation of a child than excessive television viewing. Delaying gratification (the "I wants and I wants it now) is just a symptom of the greater disease of television viewing. Junk food and television should be administered in the same dosage: in moderation, if at all. My children are blissfully unaware of what is out there because they have never seen live television, let alone programming with commercials.   

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                            Reply#24 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 6:06 PM EST
                            {"commentId":4234364,"authorDomain":"jpcyphers"}

                            Allot of parents try to buy their kids love and respect, which in turn, doesn't teach their kids financial responsibility, and it also spoils them to the point of having absolutely no respect in anyone, including the parents, because they know that they will have everything they want handed to them.  Which is also one of the reason for the escalated crime rate these days.

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